They were other eyewitness besides Zaka volunteers, you know that right? Palestinian terrorists have admitted they were there to rape women. Let me guess they are liars too?
I also find it funny how you have this moral outrage over a hoax, but not over Israel raping and torturing Palestinians, which is actually documented. But then again, why would you care. People like you don't care when white people do stuff to non-white people.
When you make a coherent argument, let us know. Right now, you are splitting semantic hairs between the concept of mass rape and occasional rape. You are a real committed feminist, aren't you? Stop exaggerating your rapes, ladies. Just focus on them burning you alive and shooting your children.
“Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties.”
Albert Einstein and Hannah Arendt, in a letter to the New York Times, May, 1948.
In an initial statement on October 9th, Kohen made no mention of attacks of a sexual nature before altering his testimony the following day. During an interview with another media outlet, he vaguely hinted at the possibility of such attacks without asserting that he had personally witnessed them. Notably, a testimony provided to the Canadian network "CBC" on October 10th made no reference to the attacks detailed in The New York Times' recent investigation.
Fact: The rave location wasn't revealled by the organizers until late on Friday October 6th. Even the DJ didn't know so, how exactly do you think a bunch of Hamas terrorists found out?
What? What is your point? Are you claiming that people hunting for Israelis while flying in paragliders COULD NEVER POSSIBLY spot thousands of people camping at an outdoor music festival? You are telling people to not believe our lying eyes? To forget all the videos and photos of HUNDREDS OF ABANDONED, burned out cars, of numerous cellphone videos of terrified young prople fleeing madly? You are ridiculously ignorant, insane or evil, take your pick.
“Proves beyond a reasonable doubt”? The only reasonable doubt I have is in your sanity.
Those Hamas murderers - the ones joyously slaughtering civilians (yeah, them) - they’d never dare violate an Israeli woman. It’s against a tenet of their faith. Brutally murder them? Yeah. Behead? Burn? Shoot? Stab? Yep, uh-huh, sure. But rape (!)? Perish the thought.
Good thing sharp people are in the lookout for this kind of thing. You might otherwise come away with the impression that Hamas is a cadre of bloodthirsty sadistic religio-fanatic barbarians. That would get Israel off the hook for defending itself, and we can’t have that
I didn’t even get through half of one of the silly articles relied upon by BenMedia to find howlers
Like these:
She adds that “after we were there for two hours with the abductors, the police arrive. A gun battle takes place that our police started.”
[ed. “That our Police started”. ‘Nuff said]
But wait! There’s more:
“This includes the shocking revelation that some Israeli civilians were alive for up to two days before Israeli forces killed them, along with Palestinian fighters who were holding them.”
[“along with the Palestinian fighters
Holding them”. I wonder who the targets were? I just can’t figure that out - those kindly Palestinian fighters must have been awfully
Surprised at their treatment!]
OR-
“one of the Palestinian fighters, a commander, decided to surrender and used her in effect as a human shield.”
[file that under profiles in courage, the poor guy just wanted to surrender, with a female civilian to take the bullets in the event that his peaceful intent wasn’t grasped fully by the Israeli tormentors]
OR-
The terrorists shot them?” Golan asks.
“No, they were killed by the crossfire,” Porat responds. “Understand there was very, very heavy crossfire.”
[No shit. Very very heavy crossfire. And it’s Israel’s fault, obviously!
It’s a huge scandal that the IDF responded with force to the Palestinian’s sightseeing stroll
Into Israel. Why didn’t they convene a committee to try and discuss the Palestinians’ grievances? Like I said, scandalous!
I’m not sure I’ve ever seen such stupidity printed. And the conclusions drawn therefrom are even dumber, by magnitudes.
I am grateful the sources were cited, however, so that we could see how fairly straight-forward situations and facts can be mangled and
misunderstood by the ideologue.
It’s like a bottomless chasm. I wouldn’t wait around to see if they come to their senses . . .
I'm sure I can find plenty of sources that deny the moon landing, the holocaust, and claim the earth is flat. Just because it's printed or on the internet doesn't make it so. This is fun but it's getting a little exhausting. Have fun in fantasyland
A bunch of words are there, but they are arranged in a way that doesn’t evidence any form of intelligent life. I mean, I’m the first to give stupidity its due, but this from BenMedia? I’m incredulous that this came from an actual
Person, - there’s just no way. I’ll proceed on the assumption that it’s a bot, because to allow otherwise is to concede that people exist out there who live in a world so twisted and insular that this gibberish constitutes reality they are beyond reason, and therefore beyond rescue.
Doesn’t matter to me one iota that it was an Israeli paper - it obviously was. What is astounding is the level of self-deception by Israelis cited in it. No doubt civilians were killed in the IDF response - the fog of war being what it is, which hasn’t changed for millenia. (quick note - Hamas is responsible for that, as
Well, since they were the aggressors that got
This whole sorry train going).
And with respect to ignoring your sources, I did quite the opposite. I cited them directly, word for word. I don’t think that qualifies as ignoring them, even on the strange planet you’re apparently from. What I did do was point out some things that don’t make Any sense, even if uttered by an Israeli. And, incidentally, the conclusions you reach don’t follow from
The material cited Sure, they echo the bias of the paper and the idiot who wrote the
Article, but the facts cited in the paper - their very own words - run counter to any sensible assessment of the situation in the ground and the IDF response.
I’m not trying to convince YOU of anything - I
Don’t think that’s possible, given what anyone reading this thread has witnessed and surely appreciates. Rather, I felt compelled to speak up
Simply because stupidity of the depth and extent you continue to exhibit just has to be put down., and this is the rough equivalent of the town square where I can, at minimum, subject you to even a tiny portion of the ridicule you so richly deserve.
Other readers can judge for themselves where the truth lies. But you - you are the last person
Because they’re getting off on sticking it to the Jews but some remnant of shame prevents them from admitting it so they pretend it’s “only anti Zionism.”
And by the way, douchebag, all Hamxs has to do is release 100 people and this whole mess stops. Instead, they’d rather that thousands of Palestinians die so that they can score a PR victory. Your failure to see that is the real lie. And that’s why there’s no genocide. Footnote to the foregoing: go fuck yourself.
Hi Ben, it's hard to believe that after all these months/years that people are still willing to believe the hoax(s) and perpetuate the lie(s) regardless of evidence?
The 'beheaded babies' was also revealed as a hoax, and while I am sure that some civilians might have been murdered by Palestinians on their jail break, we know that in the kibbutz were 'armed settlers' (former IOF) that are not different from soldiers, but mainly, we know that the IOF murdered hundreds of Israeli civilians to prevent them from being taken hostage (Hannibal Directive). All in all, a concerted psyop put in place to 1) distract from the embarrassment of IOF failures; and 2) to justify the massacre of Palestinians in the latest round of ethnic cleansing, this time colored by genocide.
The power of this rape story psyop was huge, and it makes me wonder why the Ukrainian fascists have not accused the Russians of 'mass rape'.
This Substack of yours and The Grayzone are probably some of the best alternative left-wing muckraking sources I've come across (and I say this as someone of a "conservative" ideological orientation -- us genuine investigators left and right need to stay diligent and not be divided by this world's tactics of sowing schism).
Simply put, thank you for helping shed and shine some light in this world darkened by the smoke of the bottomless pit's psyops. This reminds me, I saw your podcast with Indie; will have to check it out soon. :)
They say all the governments say is "psy-op". This article is just that. All psychological warfare operations are based on dividing citizens, now in the global stage of virtual reality not of one country, but of all countries who engage in a discussion. Once divided and possibly polarized seemingly beyond repair, they are ruled so easily that no one could imagine.
Nothing can work once everyone believes to know the facts, whence the others don't, and so everyone just goes on buying what they sell. Propaganda, posionous food, poisonous drinks, poisonous drugs and getting sick, which means even greater need for poisons(it's the way a consumer consumes that turns even non-poisonous products poisonous) making you feel alright artificially, when you wouldn't be able to feel alright not knowing what's going on, even though everything is over, once one accepts such a state of things.
So, if you call your kin names, it's over, you're just being played by a puppet master, whose face you will probably never see. Call someone a Jew, a zionist, or with a name insulting their intelligence, maybe attacking their political connections - such people aren't really alive, slowly dying performing just like their oppressors want them to, attacking human beings, and not letting any sort of change happen, as it would mean losing their purpose. The only way is to step back and accept you've been tricked. Maybe such can be forgiven. If "psy-op" is the worst thing one can engage with, then it's better to know when one is a part of such an operation. "Fish bowl" mechanism. The fish in the bowl doesn't see the water it's swimming in.
But who am I talking to? You know. They most likely die never able to learn the truth. It's a pity.
Can you believe it. This Dissiden??? It's like saying , PRESIDENT TRUMP is a felon because he was tried by a New York court, under a New York Judge with the help of the Obama DOJ...Yep. We all believe that don't we?
Trump might have avoided taking money from AIPAC but, do you think accepting $100 million from Miriam Adelson (widow of former Netenyahu's friend, Sheldon) is not just as corrupt? Could he not get by on the $75 million from Elon Musk?
Don't know? Could the uni party have beat him in 2020 without Soros, zuckerfuxx, bezos, the fbi, doj, cia, washington compost and new york slime? How about you're basta*rd judges, da's and big fanny willis?
I do t know why this crap comes in my list, but the deluded antisemitic author can’t read or understand their own citation apparently:
“Gaz explains that the biggest challenge is evidentiary. Linking specific crimes to specific defendants in dozens of scenes, with hundreds of suspects and thousands of crimes, is nearly impossible. “Regular evidentiary rules don’t suit this event. There are no orderly chains of exhibits, and no one recorded the videos you want to present in court…”
The difficulty of proof mentioned is the same with many war crimes, not that the crime is a fiction, but rather that it happens to so many people simultaneously with so many perpetrators that linking any single perpetrator to any single victim is challenging in details required for evidentiary proof and chain of evidence preparation.
No intelligent person can claim this is evidence that mass rape didn’t happen - that it didn’t happen because it’s hard to bring to trial. The crime clearly happened, there were thousands of witnesses. The difficulty (clearly stated) is identifying and linking one specific rapist with one specific person, for one specific crime event. That’s the way many trials work, if the sensationalist author managed to never see an American crime procedural with trial, broadcast several times weekly for the last 80 years.
Following this logic, nobody lynched Emmett Till in 1955 although his mutilated body exists, it was prepped by his mother for media consumption, and nobody was brought to justice because no crime was committed.
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If there were thousands of witnesses why haven't any of them come forward?
Even if they cannot pin the crime on a specific person, they should be able to come forward and say when and where they saw the rape happen. But they can't.
The 7/10 claims of rape, an aborted fetus, beheadings, babies in ovens and mass killings were repeats of the 1947/8 atrociies perpetrated by Jews against Palestinian villages actually.
The Zionists knew beforehand the indigenous people would not simply leave voluntarily and they would try and defend their families, homes and villages they had to attack with such brutality, and instil such fear as to make the people run away.
Professor Ilan Pappe and other Middle East historians have spoken/written about the Nekbah at length. Former Israeli settlers gave interviews admitting their actions on film but, evaded prosecution. This may explain why IDF soldiers and prison wardens can post horrific Tic Toc videos of rape and torture because they know they'll never face justice.
To perpetuate their lies, it's far easier to murder journalists and medical personnel and call everyone else Hamas terrorists and Anti-Semites/Racists. Rather than Israel agreeing to a peace deal or negotiating a two-state solution, Mossad/CIA simply kill the Negotiators.
Funny you say that Israel won't negotiate a 2 state solution. From all the historical documentation since 1948 only one side agreed to a 2 state solution. Ask Bill Clinton what he thought about that when the opportunity arose for him to broker a deal and how that panned out with your great mate Yasser Arafat. But now you are absolutely 100%correct, the Israelis have realised, finally, that a 2 state solution can NEVER be reached because like Hamas's charter, the only solution advocated by Palestinians (and people like yourself) even now with their arses getting kicked ( not genocide because that is leftist propaganda trolling specific to this conflict whereas like for instance Syria and Yemen wars with close to nearly a million people killed but no uproar from lefty's anywhere because Muslims killing Muslims, who gives a shit but as soon as The Jews are fighting back, it's a genocide!) is to them and always will be, a Single state solution run by Arab Muslims for Arab Muslims and all the Jews and Istaelis need to die or fuck off.
There will never be an end to this war because Palestinians and many Arabs (Muslims) hate the Jews. They are totally anti semites and to hell with the oh, we're just anti Zionist crap because that's just semantics. End of story and proof of this remains in the Hamas charter because they call and advocate for the murder of all Jews worldwide, all 15 million of them.
But it doesn't matter 1 little bit what I write, what you write or anyone else for that matter, we won't make the slightest bit of difference to this conflict. The Israelis and Palestinians will just keep going. There is no end to it unless someone nukes Tel Aviv but the irony is, it will kill all the Palestinians too. No more problem then, ay?
Um Mike. Maybe you missed the hundreds of billions of dollars that the U.S has sent to Israel? The anti-BDS laws? The UN vetoes? History has shown how to handle apartheid states like Israel - the U.S is blocking that from happening and fully enabling a horrific genocide.
I don’t think there is a ratio. I’d prefer no children die. But when a nation has war declared against it and their enemy hides and uses children as shields innocents die. Why don’t you care about the 4000 Palestinians killed by Assad in the refugee camp? Why don’t you care that Hamas wants dead Palestinians as props for their cause? Why don’t you care that Hamas shoots Palestinians who try to flee areas where Israel has said they will be attacking Hamas ? Why don’t you care that Hamas has connected their tunnels to every hospital and school?
They were other eyewitness besides Zaka volunteers, you know that right? Palestinian terrorists have admitted they were there to rape women. Let me guess they are liars too?
Hey dad, I killed 10 Jews.
The author of this is scum.
Truth!
You are a liar
Eat shit and die
Ah, the little Zionist troll is mad they got called out
If a woman in your life was raped and murdered and a piss rag on the internet denied it you’d be mad too. Cunt.
The rape also needs to happen. And even Israel is now admitting they can't prove it did.
If you have to perpetuate a hoax, you don't have a case.
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/bbc-distances-itself-7-october-mass-rape-claims
https://mondoweiss.net/2024/02/extraordinary-charges-of-bias-emerge-against-nytimes-reporter-anat-schwartz/
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/ny-times-found-no-7-october-rape-victims-reporter-admits
https://thegrayzone.com/2024/02/22/israeli-hamas-debunked-western-media/
https://theintercept.com/2024/02/28/new-york-times-anat-schwartz-october-7/
https://archive.is/48BrK
I also find it funny how you have this moral outrage over a hoax, but not over Israel raping and torturing Palestinians, which is actually documented. But then again, why would you care. People like you don't care when white people do stuff to non-white people.
You're literally trying to defend a genocide.
Go fuck yourself.
Oh and these "terrorists" will testify in court? Before or after you tortured their confessions. To hell with you nazi jew.
Anyone who performs that sort of vile inversion of saying Nazi Jew, really should be flayed alive. But I’ll settle for blocking you.
Are you going to block Albert Einstein and Hannah Arendt as well?
When you make a coherent argument, let us know. Right now, you are splitting semantic hairs between the concept of mass rape and occasional rape. You are a real committed feminist, aren't you? Stop exaggerating your rapes, ladies. Just focus on them burning you alive and shooting your children.
Be original and and give us YOUR thoughts. You had to dig back pretty deep
I was wondering if anyone was ridiculous enough to come up with the term "nazi jew"
Well done
There’s nothing new about this comparison:
“Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties.”
Albert Einstein and Hannah Arendt, in a letter to the New York Times, May, 1948.
Do you have an opinion on this quote from 1948? Any thoughts from this century?
Put Ben-Gvir and Smotrich in Hugo Boss uniforms, they'd fit right in with the SS. That clear enough for you?
No it isn't. If you put on a dress would that make you a woman? Stick to tiktok. I thought this place was for grownups
Most likely occultist
Well, the Zionists are acting just like the Nazis did
This is our world now.
Any evidence they were tortured? Or let me guess: they are part of the conspiracy too. It goes all the way to the top!
You really don't know anything about what's going on do you?
It's been documented that Israel tortures people.
Palestine tortures people too; that doesn’t mean everyone who supports their narrative was tortured into it. Dumbass.
The brave anonymous.
And what’s your name, tough guy?
no, there weren't. That's the point.
There were, you stupid fucking idiot. They were interviewed on CNN.
That's a lie and you know it
amazing, no link. Were the beheaded babies also interviewed on cnn? WAS THAT TRUE OR NOT? let me guess: no link to that either
ps, I have my "strawman bingo board" ready for all the usual responses
please respond: was the beheaded babies story true or false- this is where I will decide whether or not to continue to engage
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/01/04/middleeast/sexual-assault-october-7-israel-witness-int
Read and weep biyatch.
Notice: you didn't respond to the beheaded babies question. Real "tell" there about how seriousy to take this, for anyone foowing this thread...
In an initial statement on October 9th, Kohen made no mention of attacks of a sexual nature before altering his testimony the following day. During an interview with another media outlet, he vaguely hinted at the possibility of such attacks without asserting that he had personally witnessed them. Notably, a testimony provided to the Canadian network "CBC" on October 10th made no reference to the attacks detailed in The New York Times' recent investigation.
oops, debunked!
https://institute.aljazeera.net/en/ajr/article/2480
credible source, cnn
https://apnews.com/article/syria-prisoner-clarissa-ward-fake-98ee34d4e125d45bd18b57f55526c709
"biyatch"? ok boomer
We saw video proof of women being pulled out of cars with torn clothes and blood running down their legs. I guess that wasn't rape. I call BS on this.
We all know there were rapes, that's why they picked the concert venue to attack. Otherwise, they would have attacked military targets.
Fact: The rave location wasn't revealled by the organizers until late on Friday October 6th. Even the DJ didn't know so, how exactly do you think a bunch of Hamas terrorists found out?
What? What is your point? Are you claiming that people hunting for Israelis while flying in paragliders COULD NEVER POSSIBLY spot thousands of people camping at an outdoor music festival? You are telling people to not believe our lying eyes? To forget all the videos and photos of HUNDREDS OF ABANDONED, burned out cars, of numerous cellphone videos of terrified young prople fleeing madly? You are ridiculously ignorant, insane or evil, take your pick.
most of tv is staged. especially war propaganda
No blood running down anyone’s leg. And whoever was repeating Allahu Ackbar wasn’t from the Levant.
You are a liar
That's it? Back it up ben. Let me guess, from the river to the sea. Right ben?
Here you go:
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/bbc-distances-itself-7-october-mass-rape-claims
https://mondoweiss.net/2024/02/extraordinary-charges-of-bias-emerge-against-nytimes-reporter-anat-schwartz/
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/ny-times-found-no-7-october-rape-victims-reporter-admits
https://thegrayzone.com/2024/02/22/israeli-hamas-debunked-western-media/
https://theintercept.com/2024/02/28/new-york-times-anat-schwartz-october-7/
https://archive.is/48BrK
electronic intifada?
Nice try. How bout aljizzirah? Maybe the north korean times?
So...no actual response?
Got it
That's my response. Find a credible source
“Proves beyond a reasonable doubt”? The only reasonable doubt I have is in your sanity.
Those Hamas murderers - the ones joyously slaughtering civilians (yeah, them) - they’d never dare violate an Israeli woman. It’s against a tenet of their faith. Brutally murder them? Yeah. Behead? Burn? Shoot? Stab? Yep, uh-huh, sure. But rape (!)? Perish the thought.
Good thing sharp people are in the lookout for this kind of thing. You might otherwise come away with the impression that Hamas is a cadre of bloodthirsty sadistic religio-fanatic barbarians. That would get Israel off the hook for defending itself, and we can’t have that
You're a liar.
There were no beheadings and most of the people killed were either killed in the crossfire or killed by Israel implementing the Hannibal Directive.
You are a Zionist troll who's lying and promoting a hoax to justify a genocide.
Go fuck yourself.
I didn’t even get through half of one of the silly articles relied upon by BenMedia to find howlers
Like these:
She adds that “after we were there for two hours with the abductors, the police arrive. A gun battle takes place that our police started.”
[ed. “That our Police started”. ‘Nuff said]
But wait! There’s more:
“This includes the shocking revelation that some Israeli civilians were alive for up to two days before Israeli forces killed them, along with Palestinian fighters who were holding them.”
[“along with the Palestinian fighters
Holding them”. I wonder who the targets were? I just can’t figure that out - those kindly Palestinian fighters must have been awfully
Surprised at their treatment!]
OR-
“one of the Palestinian fighters, a commander, decided to surrender and used her in effect as a human shield.”
[file that under profiles in courage, the poor guy just wanted to surrender, with a female civilian to take the bullets in the event that his peaceful intent wasn’t grasped fully by the Israeli tormentors]
OR-
The terrorists shot them?” Golan asks.
“No, they were killed by the crossfire,” Porat responds. “Understand there was very, very heavy crossfire.”
[No shit. Very very heavy crossfire. And it’s Israel’s fault, obviously!
It’s a huge scandal that the IDF responded with force to the Palestinian’s sightseeing stroll
Into Israel. Why didn’t they convene a committee to try and discuss the Palestinians’ grievances? Like I said, scandalous!
I’m not sure I’ve ever seen such stupidity printed. And the conclusions drawn therefrom are even dumber, by magnitudes.
I am grateful the sources were cited, however, so that we could see how fairly straight-forward situations and facts can be mangled and
misunderstood by the ideologue.
It’s like a bottomless chasm. I wouldn’t wait around to see if they come to their senses . . .
Just for the record, one of my sources was a prominent Israeli newspaper.
Funny how you don't mention that (because it proves you're full of shit).
Translation: "I'm going to ignore what you cited because they prove I'm full of shit"
Wrong.
I'm not wrong.
You're just a liar
I think ben is confusing larping with reality
Oh, that's some beautiful projection.
Especially since I can back up what I'm saying and already have.
And I'll do it again.
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/27/israels-military-shelled-burning-tanks-helicopters/
https://electronicintifada.net/content/israeli-forces-shot-their-own-civilians-kibbutz-survivor-says/38861
https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/a-growing-number-of-reports-indicate-israeli-forces-responsible-for-israeli-civilian-and-military-deaths-following-october-7-attack/
https://archive.is/iAgIy
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-07/israel-hannibal-directive-kidnap-hamas-gaza-hostages-idf/104224430
Ben
Your sources are garbage.
I'm sure I can find plenty of sources that deny the moon landing, the holocaust, and claim the earth is flat. Just because it's printed or on the internet doesn't make it so. This is fun but it's getting a little exhausting. Have fun in fantasyland
A bunch of words are there, but they are arranged in a way that doesn’t evidence any form of intelligent life. I mean, I’m the first to give stupidity its due, but this from BenMedia? I’m incredulous that this came from an actual
Person, - there’s just no way. I’ll proceed on the assumption that it’s a bot, because to allow otherwise is to concede that people exist out there who live in a world so twisted and insular that this gibberish constitutes reality they are beyond reason, and therefore beyond rescue.
Doesn’t matter to me one iota that it was an Israeli paper - it obviously was. What is astounding is the level of self-deception by Israelis cited in it. No doubt civilians were killed in the IDF response - the fog of war being what it is, which hasn’t changed for millenia. (quick note - Hamas is responsible for that, as
Well, since they were the aggressors that got
This whole sorry train going).
And with respect to ignoring your sources, I did quite the opposite. I cited them directly, word for word. I don’t think that qualifies as ignoring them, even on the strange planet you’re apparently from. What I did do was point out some things that don’t make Any sense, even if uttered by an Israeli. And, incidentally, the conclusions you reach don’t follow from
The material cited Sure, they echo the bias of the paper and the idiot who wrote the
Article, but the facts cited in the paper - their very own words - run counter to any sensible assessment of the situation in the ground and the IDF response.
I’m not trying to convince YOU of anything - I
Don’t think that’s possible, given what anyone reading this thread has witnessed and surely appreciates. Rather, I felt compelled to speak up
Simply because stupidity of the depth and extent you continue to exhibit just has to be put down., and this is the rough equivalent of the town square where I can, at minimum, subject you to even a tiny portion of the ridicule you so richly deserve.
Other readers can judge for themselves where the truth lies. But you - you are the last person
About whom I give a flying fuck what you think
Well said.
Because they were all murdered, wtf? Damn hamas to hell, is this actually a defense of 10/7? Why would anyone defend anything that happened that day?
Because they’re getting off on sticking it to the Jews but some remnant of shame prevents them from admitting it so they pretend it’s “only anti Zionism.”
Why are you lying and promoting a hoax?
Why are you an antisemitic scumbag?
And by the way, douchebag, all Hamxs has to do is release 100 people and this whole mess stops. Instead, they’d rather that thousands of Palestinians die so that they can score a PR victory. Your failure to see that is the real lie. And that’s why there’s no genocide. Footnote to the foregoing: go fuck yourself.
Why are you lying and promoting a hoax?
What's the hoax ben?
Here you go:
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/bbc-distances-itself-7-october-mass-rape-claims
https://mondoweiss.net/2024/02/extraordinary-charges-of-bias-emerge-against-nytimes-reporter-anat-schwartz/
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/ny-times-found-no-7-october-rape-victims-reporter-admits
https://thegrayzone.com/2024/02/22/israeli-hamas-debunked-western-media/
https://theintercept.com/2024/02/28/new-york-times-anat-schwartz-october-7/
https://archive.is/48BrK
Maybe cuz they're dead?
So...this is your response?
An excuse for not having any evidence?
OK then.
Hi Ben, it's hard to believe that after all these months/years that people are still willing to believe the hoax(s) and perpetuate the lie(s) regardless of evidence?
Because of what Israel did for decades before (which was worse) and what Israel has done since then (which is also worse).
Israel is a terrorist, genocide committing state.
Could it possibly be because after raping them they murdered them? Released hostages all report mass rapes and continuing sex assault in captivity.
Why are you lying and promoting a hoax?
And I say the same to you @BenMedia.
So...you're projecting
The 'beheaded babies' was also revealed as a hoax, and while I am sure that some civilians might have been murdered by Palestinians on their jail break, we know that in the kibbutz were 'armed settlers' (former IOF) that are not different from soldiers, but mainly, we know that the IOF murdered hundreds of Israeli civilians to prevent them from being taken hostage (Hannibal Directive). All in all, a concerted psyop put in place to 1) distract from the embarrassment of IOF failures; and 2) to justify the massacre of Palestinians in the latest round of ethnic cleansing, this time colored by genocide.
The power of this rape story psyop was huge, and it makes me wonder why the Ukrainian fascists have not accused the Russians of 'mass rape'.
Thankfully, no one can pull the wool over your eyes. Thanks for being so smart and keeping the rest of us sheep safe. #Hero
Hahahahaha Good response.
It’s hard to be a witness or complainant when you’re dead
Why are you lying and promoting a hoax?
This Substack of yours and The Grayzone are probably some of the best alternative left-wing muckraking sources I've come across (and I say this as someone of a "conservative" ideological orientation -- us genuine investigators left and right need to stay diligent and not be divided by this world's tactics of sowing schism).
Simply put, thank you for helping shed and shine some light in this world darkened by the smoke of the bottomless pit's psyops. This reminds me, I saw your podcast with Indie; will have to check it out soon. :)
What a piece of garbage this article is!
They say all the governments say is "psy-op". This article is just that. All psychological warfare operations are based on dividing citizens, now in the global stage of virtual reality not of one country, but of all countries who engage in a discussion. Once divided and possibly polarized seemingly beyond repair, they are ruled so easily that no one could imagine.
Nothing can work once everyone believes to know the facts, whence the others don't, and so everyone just goes on buying what they sell. Propaganda, posionous food, poisonous drinks, poisonous drugs and getting sick, which means even greater need for poisons(it's the way a consumer consumes that turns even non-poisonous products poisonous) making you feel alright artificially, when you wouldn't be able to feel alright not knowing what's going on, even though everything is over, once one accepts such a state of things.
So, if you call your kin names, it's over, you're just being played by a puppet master, whose face you will probably never see. Call someone a Jew, a zionist, or with a name insulting their intelligence, maybe attacking their political connections - such people aren't really alive, slowly dying performing just like their oppressors want them to, attacking human beings, and not letting any sort of change happen, as it would mean losing their purpose. The only way is to step back and accept you've been tricked. Maybe such can be forgiven. If "psy-op" is the worst thing one can engage with, then it's better to know when one is a part of such an operation. "Fish bowl" mechanism. The fish in the bowl doesn't see the water it's swimming in.
But who am I talking to? You know. They most likely die never able to learn the truth. It's a pity.
Good luck and good day
You're just mad they debunked your pathetic, disgusting hoax that you were using to justify genocide
Everything the government and the media is a lie.
So the photo of women being forced into a car with blood stains on the seat of their pants was fake?
Just as "fake" as the hundreds of murdered Palestinian health care workers, doctors and journalists l suppose.
Let's just kill all of them and be done with it.
Israel has lied about everything on October 7th and since.
Benjamin Fulford claims that Netanyahu should and will be arrested
No
Yes they have.
It's not my fault you don't know anything
Can you believe it. This Dissiden??? It's like saying , PRESIDENT TRUMP is a felon because he was tried by a New York court, under a New York Judge with the help of the Obama DOJ...Yep. We all believe that don't we?
Trump might have avoided taking money from AIPAC but, do you think accepting $100 million from Miriam Adelson (widow of former Netenyahu's friend, Sheldon) is not just as corrupt? Could he not get by on the $75 million from Elon Musk?
Don't know? Could the uni party have beat him in 2020 without Soros, zuckerfuxx, bezos, the fbi, doj, cia, washington compost and new york slime? How about you're basta*rd judges, da's and big fanny willis?
Zionists in the comments section are coming out to lie in order to promote their hoax and justify the genocide.
I do t know why this crap comes in my list, but the deluded antisemitic author can’t read or understand their own citation apparently:
“Gaz explains that the biggest challenge is evidentiary. Linking specific crimes to specific defendants in dozens of scenes, with hundreds of suspects and thousands of crimes, is nearly impossible. “Regular evidentiary rules don’t suit this event. There are no orderly chains of exhibits, and no one recorded the videos you want to present in court…”
The difficulty of proof mentioned is the same with many war crimes, not that the crime is a fiction, but rather that it happens to so many people simultaneously with so many perpetrators that linking any single perpetrator to any single victim is challenging in details required for evidentiary proof and chain of evidence preparation.
No intelligent person can claim this is evidence that mass rape didn’t happen - that it didn’t happen because it’s hard to bring to trial. The crime clearly happened, there were thousands of witnesses. The difficulty (clearly stated) is identifying and linking one specific rapist with one specific person, for one specific crime event. That’s the way many trials work, if the sensationalist author managed to never see an American crime procedural with trial, broadcast several times weekly for the last 80 years.
Following this logic, nobody lynched Emmett Till in 1955 although his mutilated body exists, it was prepped by his mother for media consumption, and nobody was brought to justice because no crime was committed.
Well said.
Pro-genocide Zionist troll
Go for it!
Well, at least you're honest about being pro-genocide, I guess
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Uh...thanks?
If there were thousands of witnesses why haven't any of them come forward?
Even if they cannot pin the crime on a specific person, they should be able to come forward and say when and where they saw the rape happen. But they can't.
The 7/10 claims of rape, an aborted fetus, beheadings, babies in ovens and mass killings were repeats of the 1947/8 atrociies perpetrated by Jews against Palestinian villages actually.
The Zionists knew beforehand the indigenous people would not simply leave voluntarily and they would try and defend their families, homes and villages they had to attack with such brutality, and instil such fear as to make the people run away.
Professor Ilan Pappe and other Middle East historians have spoken/written about the Nekbah at length. Former Israeli settlers gave interviews admitting their actions on film but, evaded prosecution. This may explain why IDF soldiers and prison wardens can post horrific Tic Toc videos of rape and torture because they know they'll never face justice.
To perpetuate their lies, it's far easier to murder journalists and medical personnel and call everyone else Hamas terrorists and Anti-Semites/Racists. Rather than Israel agreeing to a peace deal or negotiating a two-state solution, Mossad/CIA simply kill the Negotiators.
Israelis are not the victims.
Funny you say that Israel won't negotiate a 2 state solution. From all the historical documentation since 1948 only one side agreed to a 2 state solution. Ask Bill Clinton what he thought about that when the opportunity arose for him to broker a deal and how that panned out with your great mate Yasser Arafat. But now you are absolutely 100%correct, the Israelis have realised, finally, that a 2 state solution can NEVER be reached because like Hamas's charter, the only solution advocated by Palestinians (and people like yourself) even now with their arses getting kicked ( not genocide because that is leftist propaganda trolling specific to this conflict whereas like for instance Syria and Yemen wars with close to nearly a million people killed but no uproar from lefty's anywhere because Muslims killing Muslims, who gives a shit but as soon as The Jews are fighting back, it's a genocide!) is to them and always will be, a Single state solution run by Arab Muslims for Arab Muslims and all the Jews and Istaelis need to die or fuck off.
There will never be an end to this war because Palestinians and many Arabs (Muslims) hate the Jews. They are totally anti semites and to hell with the oh, we're just anti Zionist crap because that's just semantics. End of story and proof of this remains in the Hamas charter because they call and advocate for the murder of all Jews worldwide, all 15 million of them.
But it doesn't matter 1 little bit what I write, what you write or anyone else for that matter, we won't make the slightest bit of difference to this conflict. The Israelis and Palestinians will just keep going. There is no end to it unless someone nukes Tel Aviv but the irony is, it will kill all the Palestinians too. No more problem then, ay?
Um Mike. Maybe you missed the hundreds of billions of dollars that the U.S has sent to Israel? The anti-BDS laws? The UN vetoes? History has shown how to handle apartheid states like Israel - the U.S is blocking that from happening and fully enabling a horrific genocide.
What a twisted human being, trying to redeem a savage baby killing group of monsters, that burned families alive by stating that maybe there were only occasional rapes not mass rapes and I guess the hostages that were released that have said there were rapes are lying. And actually dead rape victims tell no tales. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-18/ty-article-magazine/witnesses-confessions-naked-dead-bodies-all-the-evidence-of-hamas-rape-on-oct-7/0000018e-f114-d92e-abfe-f77f7e3f0000
You're promoting a hoax to justify genocide you disgusting scumbag
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/bbc-distances-itself-7-october-mass-rape-claims
https://mondoweiss.net/2024/02/extraordinary-charges-of-bias-emerge-against-nytimes-reporter-anat-schwartz/
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/ny-times-found-no-7-october-rape-victims-reporter-admits
https://thegrayzone.com/2024/02/22/israeli-hamas-debunked-western-media/
https://theintercept.com/2024/02/28/new-york-times-anat-schwartz-october-7/
https://archive.is/48BrK
I don’t think there is a ratio. I’d prefer no children die. But when a nation has war declared against it and their enemy hides and uses children as shields innocents die. Why don’t you care about the 4000 Palestinians killed by Assad in the refugee camp? Why don’t you care that Hamas wants dead Palestinians as props for their cause? Why don’t you care that Hamas shoots Palestinians who try to flee areas where Israel has said they will be attacking Hamas ? Why don’t you care that Hamas has connected their tunnels to every hospital and school?
How many Palestinian children should be murdered for each alleged Israeli rape victim, in your mind?
Well stated.