I am soooo sick of Israeli/Mossad Hasbara and US government/CIA lies and cover-ups. I'm just an average 66 y.o. Canadian that lived in Europe for 27 years and it drives me nuts that all Westeners haven't seen through this garbage.
It’s not that complicated. Three years to build, weaponize, and test a modernized nuclear weapon to put on a ballistic missile. Weeks to build a functional nuclear weapon. There is no civilian use for the levels of enrichment Iran has achieved.
Calling that manufactured consent is bizarre. Nobody in the region wants Iran to have a Nuke. There is more to geo-politics than Israel bad, Jews control the government. It’s the same tropes that killed millions. May kill millions again.
Israel should be forced to give up its illicit nuclear weapons, for a nuclear free Middle East. Israel is the main threat in the region, nothing to do with jews - Israel is betraying Judaism bot representing Judaism: genocide, land theft, supremacy, apartheid, desecration of human life are parallels with nazism not Judaism). Israel has recently bombed Yemen, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and now an illegal unprovoked act of aggression on Iran. Iran signed the Non Proliferation Treaty, is subject to stringent investigations. Israel refuses to sign it, refuses IEAE inspections. Iran is home to the second largest population of Jews in the Middle East, with synagogues
, centres of learning. Israel is endangering those Jews in its indiscriminate bombings of Iran
Iran has a 100% legal nuclear energy program, so of course they have high levels of enrichment. Every investigation into Iran's nuclear energy program, including by the IAEA and the US intelligence community, determined that there's no evidence that Iran's developing a nuclear weapon (we also had a treaty with Iran that assured they wouldn't do that, but Trump tore it up). But even if Iran was trying to develop nuclear weapons, it would still take them years to do and even if they do, they would only use it as a deterrent against US and Israeli aggression.
I also love how you try to simplify a genocidal apartheid expansionist state that's caused a war in the Middle East by condescendingly going "Israel bad".
Also, trying to say that The Dissident said "Jews control the government" is blatantly dishonest and you know it.
The only ideology that may get millions killed is Zionism.
You don’t need 60%+ enrichment for civilian purposes. IAEA came out and said Iran was accelerating efforts towards a bomb. If Iran gets a bomb, Saudi, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, Turkey push for a Nuke.
You seem to know a lot about what Iran would or would not do with a Nuke. Seems pretty naive. No chance they give it proxies? No chance they put it in downtown Tel Aviv? What if it was your hometown?
Calling an entire country’s state apparatus liars and blaming Israel for America’s foreign policy mistakes is a double standard that is uniquely reserved for Israel. It is a dog whistle for Jews control the government.
Calling someone a Zionist troll for having a different point of view is fascist. I would imagine your heart is in the right place and just want peace but your echo chamber seems pretty well sealed…
"You don’t need 60%+ enrichment for civilian purposes."
Iran has a 100% legal nuclear energy program. No evidence of development of nuclear weapons. And again, even if they were, it would only be as a deterrent.
"IAEA came out and said Iran was accelerating efforts towards a bomb."
First, citation please.
Second, did anything happen recently that might have convinced them they should try?
"If Iran gets a bomb, Saudi, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, Turkey push for a Nuke."
And? Countries with nuclear weapons don't attack each other.
"You seem to know a lot about what Iran would or would not do with a Nuke. Seems pretty naive."
The whole reason you develop nuclear weapons is as a deterrent. Why do you think North Korea developed nuclear weapons? Do you think Russia would have invaded Ukraine if Ukraine had nuclear weapons? Further, even US and Israeli intelligence officials have admitted that even if Iran developed a nuke, they'd only use it as a deterrent.
"No chance they give it proxies? No chance they put it in downtown Tel Aviv? What if it was your hometown?"
Baseless fearmongering. And pretty hypocritical considering that Israel has an illegal nuclear arsenal.
"Calling an entire country’s state apparatus liars and blaming Israel for America’s foreign policy mistakes is a double standard that is uniquely reserved for Israel."
First, their entire state apparatus are liars. They've been lying about everything in Gaza and now they're lying about Iran after previously helping to lie about Iraq.
Second, Israel is one of numerous groups that influence US policy in the Middle East. The others are Saudi Arabia, Turkey, the Arms Industry, the Fossil Fuel Industry and the Christian Right. And all of them want a war with Iran.
"It is a dog whistle for Jews control the government."
No it isn't. Most Zionists aren't even Jewish, there are more Christian Zionists in America than there are Jews in the entire world. So, saying that Zionists control the government isn't the same thing as saying that Jews or Israelis control the government.
"Calling someone a Zionist troll for having a different point of view is fascist."
I called you a Zionist troll because you very clearly are. You came here to defend Israel and the US government's lies about Iran.
I also find it funny that you call me a fascist for calling you out, when the United States is currently under a fascist government and Israel is a fascist state.
"I would imagine your heart is in the right place and just want peace but your echo chamber seems pretty well sealed…"
Can you vote evidence there are more Christian Zionists in America than Jews in the world? Or, by Christian Zionists, do you mean Christians who believe Israel is a nation state that should be allowed to continue to exist?
She did say in her testimony that Iran had a “stockpile” of nuclear materials. How close they are (or were) to a bomb is open to interpretation. This is different from the WMD argument in the lead up to the Gulf War, which wasn’t about potential Iraqi nuclear capability but the existence of finished bombs in Iraq.
Iran has a nuclear energy program, so of course they have a "stockpile of nuclear materials". But their program is 100% legal and there's no evidence they're trying to develop nuclear weapons. And even if they were, it's still going to be years before they get one and even if they do, they would only use them as a deterrent against US and Israeli aggression.
It is also 100% legal for your neighbor to own a cache of assault rifles. I wonder how you would feel about that. Not trying to be a smart ass, just sayin’
No need to inject false equivalence or whataboutism here. I’m merely talking about feeling safe—talking about Iran without Israel involved. Bringing up Israel makes it a different point completely, which is your point, not mine. Since you are unwilling to separate the two, add Israel as a neighbor across the street who has “illegal guns.” And the rest of the neighborhood says “from the river to the sea,” which means they all want his whole family dead. And then your original neighbor with “legal” assault rifles (Iran) is out in the front yard every day yelling “death to the neighbors!” It’s fair to say you want them both to give up their weapons, but I don’t need to wait for Israel to get rid of theirs to want Iran to get rid of theirs. Ya feel me? You are attempting to make your point my point. I put a contract on a house years ago and discovered afterward that the resident two doors down owned his guns legally and he shot a neighbor in a road rage incident—that’s why all the homes on that street were for sale! Well, fuck that neighborhood. Sorry. I live in America and Israel is not shouting “death to America.” Your inclusion of Israel is a moral argument and that’s fine, but that’s your point, not mine, so my analogy works as is. Nothing dumb about it. You really should be more civil in your responses. Good day!
Lies and deception are Israel's forte, as illustrated in your previous article about their attempts to hide their own activities.
"In order to cover up the real Nuclear facility, Israel constructed a fake control room at Dimona, in coordination with France, in order to hide the real Nuclear reaction from the American inspectors.
As Hersh wrote:
The Israeli scheme, based on plans supplied by the French, was simple: a false control room was constructed at Dimona, complete with false control panels and computer-driven measuring devices that seemed to be gauging the thermal output of a twenty-four-megawatt reactor (as Israel claimed Dimona to be) in full operation. There were extensive practice sessions in the fake control room, as Israeli technicians sought to avoid any slips when the Americans arrived. The goal was to convince the inspectors that no chemical reprocessing plant existed or was possible. One big fear was that the Americans would seek to inspect the reactor core physically, and presumably discover that Dimona was utilizing large amounts of heavy water — much of it illicitly obtained from France and Norway — and obviously operating the reactor at far greater output than the acknowledged twenty-four megawatts. It was agreed that the inspection team would not be permitted to enter the core "for safety reasons." In Abe Feinberg's view, Kennedy's unyielding demand for an inspection had left Israel with no option: "It was part of my job to tip them off that Kennedy was insisting on this. So they gave him a scam job."
Hersh noted that American inspections took place at this fake control room until 1969, writing:
The American team, following a pattern that would be repeated until the inspections came to an end in 1969, spent days at Dimona, climbing through the various excavations — many facilities had yet to be constructed — but finding nothing. They did not question the fact that the reactor core was off-limits and gave no sign that they were in any way suspicious of the control room. The Israelis even stationed a few engineers in a concealed area in the control room to monitor the machinery and make sure that nothing untoward took place.
Another aspect of the cover-up was made much easier by the fact that none of the Americans spoke or understood Hebrew".
this is all very depressing and enraging--one of my defenses for becoming a maga supporter last year was--biden got the world into 2 wars..(apart from fauci etc)--and Trump term there were NO wars--and Trump said would stop all these wars!! and now he's launched the mother of all wars ..and dragging EU into it..
There's no evidence that Iran is trying to develop a nuclear weapon, but even if they were, they'd only use it as a deterrent against US and Israeli aggression.
It's also not surprising that we're going to war with Iran. The groups that influence US policy in the Middle East are Israel, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, the Arms Industry, the Fossil Fuel Industry and the Christian Right. And all of them want a war with Iran for one reason or another.
It's also not surprising that Tulsi Gabbard flip-flopped because she's always been a careerist, an opportunist and a hawk.
I think you forgot to include this part of her testimony..The problem is they cut out the next sentences that immediately came out of her mouth: "In the past year, we've seen an erosion of a decades-long taboo in Iran on discussing nuclear weapons in public, likely emboldening nuclear weapons advocates within Iran's decision-making apparatus. Iran's enriched uranium stockpile is at its highest levels and is unprecedented for a state without nuclear weapons," as can be seen in this longer clip that she tweeted on Friday with the comment:
Shelly, Iran has been working towards weapons grade uranium for years and years! Nobody is making up anything. Clean energy requires 3 to 4% uranium enrichment, but we are talking the
60+% required for ☢️ nuclear weapons? What part of that equation don’t you understand? The people who run Iran are pure evil! Should good people sit idle UNTIL they blow America off the face of the earth? Their end goal is to destroy “the Great Satan” and propel the world backwards in time to the dark ages!
And the israelis have not only stolen nuclear material from the US ((( oy vey... what a friend ))) they lied about Dimona and have nukes that they threaten anyone anywhere if they so feel like it. So spare us your crocodile tears.
I am soooo sick of Israeli/Mossad Hasbara and US government/CIA lies and cover-ups. I'm just an average 66 y.o. Canadian that lived in Europe for 27 years and it drives me nuts that all Westeners haven't seen through this garbage.
It’s not that complicated. Three years to build, weaponize, and test a modernized nuclear weapon to put on a ballistic missile. Weeks to build a functional nuclear weapon. There is no civilian use for the levels of enrichment Iran has achieved.
Calling that manufactured consent is bizarre. Nobody in the region wants Iran to have a Nuke. There is more to geo-politics than Israel bad, Jews control the government. It’s the same tropes that killed millions. May kill millions again.
Israel should be forced to give up its illicit nuclear weapons, for a nuclear free Middle East. Israel is the main threat in the region, nothing to do with jews - Israel is betraying Judaism bot representing Judaism: genocide, land theft, supremacy, apartheid, desecration of human life are parallels with nazism not Judaism). Israel has recently bombed Yemen, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and now an illegal unprovoked act of aggression on Iran. Iran signed the Non Proliferation Treaty, is subject to stringent investigations. Israel refuses to sign it, refuses IEAE inspections. Iran is home to the second largest population of Jews in the Middle East, with synagogues
, centres of learning. Israel is endangering those Jews in its indiscriminate bombings of Iran
Iran has a 100% legal nuclear energy program, so of course they have high levels of enrichment. Every investigation into Iran's nuclear energy program, including by the IAEA and the US intelligence community, determined that there's no evidence that Iran's developing a nuclear weapon (we also had a treaty with Iran that assured they wouldn't do that, but Trump tore it up). But even if Iran was trying to develop nuclear weapons, it would still take them years to do and even if they do, they would only use it as a deterrent against US and Israeli aggression.
I also love how you try to simplify a genocidal apartheid expansionist state that's caused a war in the Middle East by condescendingly going "Israel bad".
Also, trying to say that The Dissident said "Jews control the government" is blatantly dishonest and you know it.
The only ideology that may get millions killed is Zionism.
You've got nothing Zionist troll.
You don’t need 60%+ enrichment for civilian purposes. IAEA came out and said Iran was accelerating efforts towards a bomb. If Iran gets a bomb, Saudi, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, Turkey push for a Nuke.
You seem to know a lot about what Iran would or would not do with a Nuke. Seems pretty naive. No chance they give it proxies? No chance they put it in downtown Tel Aviv? What if it was your hometown?
Calling an entire country’s state apparatus liars and blaming Israel for America’s foreign policy mistakes is a double standard that is uniquely reserved for Israel. It is a dog whistle for Jews control the government.
Calling someone a Zionist troll for having a different point of view is fascist. I would imagine your heart is in the right place and just want peace but your echo chamber seems pretty well sealed…
"You don’t need 60%+ enrichment for civilian purposes."
Iran has a 100% legal nuclear energy program. No evidence of development of nuclear weapons. And again, even if they were, it would only be as a deterrent.
"IAEA came out and said Iran was accelerating efforts towards a bomb."
First, citation please.
Second, did anything happen recently that might have convinced them they should try?
"If Iran gets a bomb, Saudi, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, Turkey push for a Nuke."
And? Countries with nuclear weapons don't attack each other.
"You seem to know a lot about what Iran would or would not do with a Nuke. Seems pretty naive."
The whole reason you develop nuclear weapons is as a deterrent. Why do you think North Korea developed nuclear weapons? Do you think Russia would have invaded Ukraine if Ukraine had nuclear weapons? Further, even US and Israeli intelligence officials have admitted that even if Iran developed a nuke, they'd only use it as a deterrent.
"No chance they give it proxies? No chance they put it in downtown Tel Aviv? What if it was your hometown?"
Baseless fearmongering. And pretty hypocritical considering that Israel has an illegal nuclear arsenal.
"Calling an entire country’s state apparatus liars and blaming Israel for America’s foreign policy mistakes is a double standard that is uniquely reserved for Israel."
First, their entire state apparatus are liars. They've been lying about everything in Gaza and now they're lying about Iran after previously helping to lie about Iraq.
Second, Israel is one of numerous groups that influence US policy in the Middle East. The others are Saudi Arabia, Turkey, the Arms Industry, the Fossil Fuel Industry and the Christian Right. And all of them want a war with Iran.
"It is a dog whistle for Jews control the government."
No it isn't. Most Zionists aren't even Jewish, there are more Christian Zionists in America than there are Jews in the entire world. So, saying that Zionists control the government isn't the same thing as saying that Jews or Israelis control the government.
Further, as for why the US supports Israel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUQ_0MubbcM&t=58s&pp=ygUTbm9hbSBjaG9tc2t5IGlzcmFlbA%3D%3D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpbKeLYCoVg
"Calling someone a Zionist troll for having a different point of view is fascist."
I called you a Zionist troll because you very clearly are. You came here to defend Israel and the US government's lies about Iran.
I also find it funny that you call me a fascist for calling you out, when the United States is currently under a fascist government and Israel is a fascist state.
"I would imagine your heart is in the right place and just want peace but your echo chamber seems pretty well sealed…"
Nice projection
What's your definition of fascist?
Can you vote evidence there are more Christian Zionists in America than Jews in the world? Or, by Christian Zionists, do you mean Christians who believe Israel is a nation state that should be allowed to continue to exist?
This is a redux of George W. Bush!
The US government has been taken over, as Mossad has agents in the White House.
https://open.substack.com/pub/thegrayzone/p/trump-official-to-the-grayzone-cias
Now I'll agree she's hypocritical, not just opportunist.
She's a careerist, an opportunist and a fraud
She did say in her testimony that Iran had a “stockpile” of nuclear materials. How close they are (or were) to a bomb is open to interpretation. This is different from the WMD argument in the lead up to the Gulf War, which wasn’t about potential Iraqi nuclear capability but the existence of finished bombs in Iraq.
Iran has a nuclear energy program, so of course they have a "stockpile of nuclear materials". But their program is 100% legal and there's no evidence they're trying to develop nuclear weapons. And even if they were, it's still going to be years before they get one and even if they do, they would only use them as a deterrent against US and Israeli aggression.
It is also 100% legal for your neighbor to own a cache of assault rifles. I wonder how you would feel about that. Not trying to be a smart ass, just sayin’
This is actually a really dumb analogy because Israel has developed a nuclear arsenal illegally
No need to inject false equivalence or whataboutism here. I’m merely talking about feeling safe—talking about Iran without Israel involved. Bringing up Israel makes it a different point completely, which is your point, not mine. Since you are unwilling to separate the two, add Israel as a neighbor across the street who has “illegal guns.” And the rest of the neighborhood says “from the river to the sea,” which means they all want his whole family dead. And then your original neighbor with “legal” assault rifles (Iran) is out in the front yard every day yelling “death to the neighbors!” It’s fair to say you want them both to give up their weapons, but I don’t need to wait for Israel to get rid of theirs to want Iran to get rid of theirs. Ya feel me? You are attempting to make your point my point. I put a contract on a house years ago and discovered afterward that the resident two doors down owned his guns legally and he shot a neighbor in a road rage incident—that’s why all the homes on that street were for sale! Well, fuck that neighborhood. Sorry. I live in America and Israel is not shouting “death to America.” Your inclusion of Israel is a moral argument and that’s fine, but that’s your point, not mine, so my analogy works as is. Nothing dumb about it. You really should be more civil in your responses. Good day!
You mean those "finished" weapons that were never discovered? Those weapons?
Lies and deception are Israel's forte, as illustrated in your previous article about their attempts to hide their own activities.
"In order to cover up the real Nuclear facility, Israel constructed a fake control room at Dimona, in coordination with France, in order to hide the real Nuclear reaction from the American inspectors.
As Hersh wrote:
The Israeli scheme, based on plans supplied by the French, was simple: a false control room was constructed at Dimona, complete with false control panels and computer-driven measuring devices that seemed to be gauging the thermal output of a twenty-four-megawatt reactor (as Israel claimed Dimona to be) in full operation. There were extensive practice sessions in the fake control room, as Israeli technicians sought to avoid any slips when the Americans arrived. The goal was to convince the inspectors that no chemical reprocessing plant existed or was possible. One big fear was that the Americans would seek to inspect the reactor core physically, and presumably discover that Dimona was utilizing large amounts of heavy water — much of it illicitly obtained from France and Norway — and obviously operating the reactor at far greater output than the acknowledged twenty-four megawatts. It was agreed that the inspection team would not be permitted to enter the core "for safety reasons." In Abe Feinberg's view, Kennedy's unyielding demand for an inspection had left Israel with no option: "It was part of my job to tip them off that Kennedy was insisting on this. So they gave him a scam job."
Hersh noted that American inspections took place at this fake control room until 1969, writing:
The American team, following a pattern that would be repeated until the inspections came to an end in 1969, spent days at Dimona, climbing through the various excavations — many facilities had yet to be constructed — but finding nothing. They did not question the fact that the reactor core was off-limits and gave no sign that they were in any way suspicious of the control room. The Israelis even stationed a few engineers in a concealed area in the control room to monitor the machinery and make sure that nothing untoward took place.
Another aspect of the cover-up was made much easier by the fact that none of the Americans spoke or understood Hebrew".
https://open.substack.com/pub/the307/p/the-samson-option-how-israel-not?r=nll84&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false
(Great work btw).
this is all very depressing and enraging--one of my defenses for becoming a maga supporter last year was--biden got the world into 2 wars..(apart from fauci etc)--and Trump term there were NO wars--and Trump said would stop all these wars!! and now he's launched the mother of all wars ..and dragging EU into it..
There's no evidence that Iran is trying to develop a nuclear weapon, but even if they were, they'd only use it as a deterrent against US and Israeli aggression.
It's also not surprising that we're going to war with Iran. The groups that influence US policy in the Middle East are Israel, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, the Arms Industry, the Fossil Fuel Industry and the Christian Right. And all of them want a war with Iran for one reason or another.
It's also not surprising that Tulsi Gabbard flip-flopped because she's always been a careerist, an opportunist and a hawk.
I think you forgot to include this part of her testimony..The problem is they cut out the next sentences that immediately came out of her mouth: "In the past year, we've seen an erosion of a decades-long taboo in Iran on discussing nuclear weapons in public, likely emboldening nuclear weapons advocates within Iran's decision-making apparatus. Iran's enriched uranium stockpile is at its highest levels and is unprecedented for a state without nuclear weapons," as can be seen in this longer clip that she tweeted on Friday with the comment:
If my neighbors neighbor kept waving a gun in my face and saying "One day... itll be you"... I'd change my tune as well.
Thank you for this sanity midst the hysteria
Iraq 2.0.
Who knew huh.
Shelly, Iran has been working towards weapons grade uranium for years and years! Nobody is making up anything. Clean energy requires 3 to 4% uranium enrichment, but we are talking the
60+% required for ☢️ nuclear weapons? What part of that equation don’t you understand? The people who run Iran are pure evil! Should good people sit idle UNTIL they blow America off the face of the earth? Their end goal is to destroy “the Great Satan” and propel the world backwards in time to the dark ages!
And the israelis have not only stolen nuclear material from the US ((( oy vey... what a friend ))) they lied about Dimona and have nukes that they threaten anyone anywhere if they so feel like it. So spare us your crocodile tears.
So she lied to everyone from the beginning.
JewLogic means Israhell should have a monopoly on nukes to keep the world safe from bunker buster bombs and genocide.
Can't fucking wait to see Tulsi and AOC get oiled up for their WOW debut. Their political careers are toast!
They can, but they weren't. Trump's acting on "they can" even if Tulsi said "they weren't."